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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 14:01:20 GMT -5
Yes, I did talk with him.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Mar 12, 2018 15:01:23 GMT -5
Yes, I did talk with him. How did it go?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 16:13:52 GMT -5
Yes, I did talk with him. How did it go? After spending an entire hour on only the topic I was there to discuss with him (we discussed jurisdiction, mostly), he had to cut the interview short to pick up building supplies. He was teary-eyed with fatigue, so I felt bad keeping him any longer. To make up for not asking the questions I was given to ask him, I submitted them to "What Catholics Believe instead. That way, they will be more complete answers without relaying information through a middle man. Over all, however, the meeting went well.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Mar 12, 2018 18:33:47 GMT -5
And what did he have to say about jurisdiction...and what was he building?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 19:32:01 GMT -5
And what did he have to say about jurisdiction...and what was he building? I went into the interview a little unsure about what he thought on the issue. So I had actually brought a print out of my notes for my essay on jurisdiction and, before I showed it to him, discussed the issue with him for over an hour. What I found was that it was as if he had written the essay. We agreed on the issue more than I realized. As for building...these clergy take supplied jurisdiction so seriously that they are run ragged with only the bare minimum amount of help. Specifically with regard to the Cincinnati location, there is the parish of 500+, school, camp, retreats, repairs, leaking roofs, faulty electric, fire code updates, broken HVAC, etc., and that doesn't include all their priestly responsibilities, such as the Divine Office, Mass, Confessions, Marriage Instructions, Baptisms, Weddings, teaching the children in the school, preparing the students to compete in state and national competitions, etc. They have such little help to do all this with, so they end up doing much of it themselves. Fr. Jenkins is always exhausted, sick, or injured--sometimes all three--when I talk to him. They spend so much time ministering the faithful, providing the sacraments, and helping people get to heaven that there isn't much time to do much else. As it was, he was picking up lumber for a repair at around 9pm. I don't know what the repair was for, but it was something he needed to do immediately. I submitted a couple questions to "What Catholics Believe" at wcbohio@gmail.com. One of those was the status of the Ukrainian rites. I'm interested in hearing what he has to say, because he used to have some personal correspondences with some Eastern rite clergy, and I know that even as far back as the '90s he was worried about the amount of Modernism that had already crept into the clergy. He said a few things on this topic, but one thing of note was that he believed the Modernists, in their pride, had overlooked and perhaps underestimated the East, since they were after the West instead because they wanted to get to the papacy (like the Italian Masons planned well over a hundred years ago in the Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita).
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Post by Rad_Trad_Matt on Jul 29, 2019 9:09:40 GMT -5
Btw my question is still hanging there...why dont you regularly attend the Novus Ordo Mass of Paul the 6th Vinny? Or do you? I would like an answer in this thread. Its a problem because as laity you have no right to reject the novus ordo if Paul6th was a true Pope. Pres, is that you?
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Post by Daniel Gray on Apr 18, 2021 15:43:21 GMT -5
In the post by 'deleted' it said: 'In the end I would ask father, who cut off the succession line?'
I will answer that question. I used to listen to WCBOHIO and Fr. William Jenkins quite a bit, he has a lot of good things to say but he is in error regarding sedevacantism. He was part of the SSPX at one time and was kicked out by 'Bishop' Lefebvre along with eight other priests who started the SSPV. They later split into two groups over theological issues. They came from the R&R mindset of Lefebvre and morphed into the sedevacantist mindset both of which are schismatic.
I was born in 1957, raised in what I thought was the Catholic Church, discovered that 'Pope' Francis was a modernist and therefore not a Catholic Pope, left what I now call the Novus Ordo Church in October 2016 to join the 'traditionalist' SSPV in order to receive what I thought were Catholic sacraments. After 3 1/2 years of educating myself with the Catechism of the Council of Trent and many pre-Vatican II Papal documents I figured out what actually happened to the Catholic Church, something the sedevacantists don't tell their unsuspecting recruits to their schismatic sedevacantist religion.
At the 1958 papal conclave the modernist College of Cardinals attempted to elect a modernist by the name of Roncalli to the Chair of St. Peter. It is impossible for this to happen because a heretic cannot be elected the Papacy as per Luke 22:31-32, Mathew 16:18-19 and Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio by Pope Paul IV in 1159.
So what actually happened? Apostolic Succession ended at the 1958 conclave. Pope Pius XII in his Apostolic Constitution 'Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis' (VAS) in 1945 defined the rules for the papal enclave that would happen after his death. The papal enclave had to commence within 18 days of his death, which it did and the enclave lasted 4 days, October 25-28. It cannot be repeated ever. Since the modernist Cardinals failed to elect a Catholic to the Papacy this means that Apostolic Succession ended and their is no longer a 'Chair of St. Peter'. There is an imposter claiming to be a Pope and that situation will never end till the second coming of Jesus Christ. There have already been 5 imposters following Roncali. The sedevacantist's believe we are in an 'extended interregnum' which is not true. 'Sede Vacante' means vacant seat. It can't be vacant because it no longer exists. They use Canon 160 to justify their consecrations and ordinations in an attempt to 'restore' the papacy sometime in the future. This 'restoration' cannot happen even by a miracle because Jesus Christ wouldn't contradict himself and negate Mathew 16:18-19 where he gave St. Peter and his successors the power to loose and to bind. The sedevacantists believe that to follow the ecclesiastical laws of VAS would be harmful, impossible and contradict the purpose for which they were made, thus Canon 160 nullifies them. What really happened is that Jesus Christ permitted the election of a heretic just like he chose Judas Iscariot to be one of his apostles knowing full well Judas would betray him. The modernist Cardinals are the successors of Judas Iscariot who exercised their free will in the 1958 conclave. It is the fulfilling of the prophecy in the second letter of the Thessalonians where it says the 'withholder' needs to be removed to enable the coming of the 'Son of Perdition'. The Pope is the 'withholder' and so Pope Pius XII was the last Pope. Pope St. Pius X said in his encyclical E Supremi in 1903 (118 years ago) that the 'Son of Perdition' may already be in the world which tells us that we were already in the 'end times' back then.
I am a 'catacomb' Catholic convert now (about 1 year old) who holds fast to tradition no compromise. There is no access to any Catholic sacraments except Baptism and Holy Matrimony because those are the two which do not require a Catholic priest to confer them. We can be likened to the Japanese Catholics who were without priests for over two centuries and they held fast to the Catholic faith. To say it is impossible to remain faithful without the other sacraments is ridiculous because Catholics have been doing this since the beginning of the Church. The sacraments offered by the sedevacantists are schismatic so we cannot consent to receive them. After the 1958 conclave all the Cardinals, Bishops, priests and laity who accepted Roncali as Pope were effectively schismatic whether they realized it or not, that is reality. The only priests with valid Catholic sacraments would be those who rejected Roncali. That means that since we are now 63 years removed from the 1958 conclave a priest would be about 93 years or older to be able to confer Catholic sacraments. No bishops consecrated or priests ordained after the 1958 conclave would be Catholic as per the rules set out by VAS.
This is a very difficult reality to accept because of the hardship it causes to Catholics but God supplies those graces necessary to those who ask. True devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, which means living the rosary not just praying it is essential to our salvation. The third word of Jesus Christ on the Cross John 19:26 applies. We must accept the will of Jesus Christ. Peter tried to stop the crucifixion of Jesus Christ Mathew 16:23 and Jesus called him Satan and said he was a scandal to Jesus. Scandal is very serious and it is exactly what the modernist Cardinals did at the 1958 conclave. They led the entire Church into the great apostasy as we have witnessed in the past 63 years. Lucifer did the same thing in heaven when he led the angels in a revolt against God. The 2nd letter of St. Paul 2:3-6 says 'Let no man decieve you by any means: for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition who opposeth and is lifted up above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if her were God. Remember you not that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity already worketh: only that he who no holdeth do hold, until he be taken out of the way.' The number one weapon Satan uses to try to destroy the Catholic Church has always been heresy. St. Alphonsus wrote two volumes on 'Heresies and their Refutation', and St. Robert Bellarmine has explained the coming of the Anti-Christ in his five books 'On the Roman Pontiff'. It's taken me 4 1/2 years to figure this out because there is so much deception involved, the blind leading the blind. There are the full blown Novus Ordo followers, the so R&R 'traditionalists' inside the Novus Ordo and the sedevacantists outside the Novus Ordo all erroneously thinking they are being faithful to the teachings of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Our Lady of Sorrows pray for us, Our Lady Destroyer of heresies pray for us.
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Post by Pacelli on Apr 19, 2021 13:48:28 GMT -5
Daniel Gray wrote:
Hello Daniel and welcome to the forum. I am not overall a big fan of SSPV as they unlawfully assert jurisdiction that they do not have over Catholics who attend their chapels. But, outside of that issue, generally speaking they are of sound theology.
Daniel Gray wrote:
You were blessed to live part of your life while the Church was functioning correctly.
There is no "sedevacantist religion." I am not sure where you learned that, but it is not an accurate description of what sedevacantism is. Sedevacantism is merely a response to the heretical teachings and actions of the purported papal claimants, Paul VI to Francis. It is a position which is built on the individual moral certainty of each Catholic who recognizes the truth about the current state of affairs.
Daniel Gray wrote:
It is a debatable point as to whether John XXIII was a public heretic, and therefore, it's probably better to leave him off the table. The case against Paul VI and the others that followed is much stronger.
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The apostolic succession cannot end, or even be interrupted, at least as far as the universal Church. To assert otherwise is heresy. The four marks will always be present in the Church until the end of time.
The sedevacantist along with sedeplenist (SSPX, Resistance) consecrations of bishops have nothing to do with the Apostolicity of the Church. These consecrations do not continue the apostolic succession, they merely provide Catholics with sacramental bishops during the crisis, nothing more. It is a debatable matter whether these consecrations should have taken place, but for the time being, Catholics are explicitly permitted by the 1917 Code to request the sacraments from these men and the priests ordained by them.
Your private interpretation of the relevant section of Thessalonians, may or may not be correct, but it is irrelevant to the other issues. Also, whether the Antichrist is already alive, we do not know for certain as he has yet to reveal himself, but what we do know is that even when he is alive and ruling, the Church will not end, therefore the four marks which identify Her must still be present, and this includes Apostolicity. The marks will be dimmer at the end during this time, but they will never cease.
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The problem with your view is that you are assuming Catholics who request the sacraments from "traditional" priests are compromising. As I stated, the law explicitly allows Catholics to request the sacraments from priests in their canonical situation, so there is no compromise in doing so. If you choose to not avail yourself of the generous gift of the sacraments as provided by law, that is your choice, but you should be aware that deliberately choosing to not attend mass and receive communion when it is available is a very dangerous action, and it may cost you your soul. The reception of Holy Communion is morally necessary for salvation and without that reception, you will not avail yourself of the graces freely given by God to resist sin and work out your salvation.
Your idea on the fact that there can be no Catholic jurisdictional bishops left is heretical. It would mean that either there has been an interruption in the apostolic succession or an end to it. Both positions are heretical. There are bishops in the world today, and will always be until the end of the world, who are lawful apostolic successors, and they are not the traditionalist bishops, who by the way even admit to this fact that they are not apostolic successors.
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It is unfortunate that you have adopted these ideas. You profess to believe in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, but at the same time in the former paragraph, you admit that you no longer believe one of these four marks, the Apostolicity, and more specifically the truth that living apostolic successors are present in the world today. I would strongly urge you to flee from these ideas, as they are heretical. Heretical propositions can never be used to explain the crisis. The crisis must be explained only using Catholic teaching and theology. If you cannot understand the crisis as it is too complex for you, then don't, just get to a valid mass said by a validly ordained Catholic priest and don't think about it anymore. To think yourself outside the Church by adopting a heresy "to make sense of things," is a horrible idea and one that may cost you your eternal salvation. Even though the SSPV has serious issues you would have been better off under their guidance than where you are now.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Apr 25, 2021 21:28:08 GMT -5
I forgot all about this thread...good stuff Pacelli
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